NS3778 : Enclosure at Carman: western side

taken 12 years ago, near to Renton, West Dunbartonshire, Great Britain

Enclosure at Carman: western side
Enclosure at Carman: western side
The long low receding mound visible in this photograph is part of the western wall of a former enclosure near the now-vanished Carman House; see also NS3778 : Carman House: dyke enclosing garden.

The enclosure is not quite rectangular, and this western wall runs from SE to NW. The line of the wall runs from the photographer's position and through the base of the tree. The enclosure also has rounded corners, and, about a hundred metres beyond the tree, the wall curves to the right and heads in an easterly direction (the northern wall of the enclosure). The eastern half of that northern wall is very overgrown with ferns, but it is still possible to pace out the top of the mound.

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Enclosure on Carman Muir

See Link (in a Geograph article) for more information. The enclosure was associated with Carman House (a former farmstead), and is part of a larger field system; see Link for views of that field system, and Link for the remains of Carman House itself.
See LinkExternal link for an annotated satellite view that is centred on the enclosure (which is marked in dark blue).

For a time, horses were sold at this enclosure: "The placing of Carman Cattle Fair at the now vanished Carman House on Carman Muir (just below the Carman Road) instead of the summit of Carman Hill is a common mistake. After the cattle fair ceased in the last decade of the nineteenth century, the selling of horses continued on Carman Muir beside the house for a few more years. It is this latter stage which was passed down as a living recollection almost to my time in the area." [John Mitchell, in letter dated 21/4/2001, amongst the cuttings held on file at Dumbarton Library].

However, see also LinkExternal link (PDF), at the Vale of Leven website; that article is based on first-hand recollections.

Carman Muir field system

A hitherto unreported system of old agricultural boundaries associated with Carman farmstead. Satellite imagery shows traces of furrows within this system. See LinkExternal link for an annotated satellite view of the field system.

The farmstead see Link (in a Geograph article) was represented in the early twentieth century by Carman House (at c.NS37287858); see Link for the remains of Carman House. See Link for an enclosure where horses used to be sold. That enclosure, which is just to the north of Carman House, is apparently part of the same field system.

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Thursday, 1 January, 2009   (more nearby)
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Friday, 2 January, 2009
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Carman Muir 
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Enclosure   (more nearby)
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OSGB36: geotagged! NS 3719 7856 [10m precision]
WGS84: 55:58.3406N 4:36.6274W
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OSGB36: geotagged! NS 3720 7855
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