NY4049 : White Quey, Stone Raise - August 2017 (1)

taken 7 years ago, near to Durdar, Cumbria, England

White Quey, Stone Raise - August 2017 (1)
White Quey, Stone Raise - August 2017 (1)
A difficult pub to date - possibly mid to late 19th Century with later additions and alterations - the White Quey closed circa 2007 and has been heavily vandalised since. However, planning approval was recently given for conversion to two private dwellings, with additional dwellings built on the site of the former car park.

The pub came under State Management control on 25 August 1916 and was returned to the private sector in 1973.

Alexander P Kapp visited in 2006 and 2008, and his views can be seen: NY4049 : The White Quey
and NY4049 : The White Quey.
Oliver Dixon visited in 2011 and his views can be seen: NY4049 : The White Quey
and NY4049 : Pub sign for the White Quey.

See also: NY4049 : White Quey, Stone Raise - August 2017 (2),
NY4049 : White Quey, Stone Raise - August 2017 (3) and
NY4049 : White Quey, Stone Raise - August 2017 (4).
The State Managed Pubs & Breweries of Carlisle and District :: NY4459

To supply munitions for the Great War, a huge complex was constructed north of Carlisle. Starting in the autumn of 1915, some 10-12,000 “navvies” built a glycerine plant at Dornock between Eastriggs and Annan, while a distilled ether plant was erected between Mossband and Longtown. Eventually stretching some 7 miles long by 2 miles deep with 17 miles of perimeter fencing, at its peak it employed some 20,000 people – mainly women but with a considerable number of male construction workers.
Unfortunately, the influx of “navvies” gave rise to serious drunkenness problems in the City of Carlisle. While Carlisle had some 120 licensed premises in 1916, many were small, one-roomed affairs which simply could not cope with the crowds. Also, the local Constabulary were greatly pressed, with 953 convictions for drunkenness in 1916 (compared with 250 in 1914/15). In addition, there was concern a “tired and emotional” worker could accidentally reduce the area to a very large hole in the ground!
The Government’s answer was to “nationalise” all the pubs and breweries in Carlisle, a process begun in July 1916 and which quickly extended out to Longtown in the east and Maryport in the south-west. Pubs around Gretna and Eastriggs were also included. All were under the control of a local Board, based at 19 Castle Street, Carlisle (now a bookshop), which imposed strict opening hours, a maximum (and very low) alcoholic content for beer and spirits, and a ban on “treating” (buying a round for your mates).
Many old or inadequate pubs were quickly closed. But the scheme did not end with the cessation of hostilities on 11 November 1918, with the last pub – the White Swan in Wigton – only being acquired in January 1921. Indeed, Government control of these pubs and breweries continued until 1971, with return to private ownership not completed until 1973.
As the Scottish pubs soon moved to the control of a local Board, this Shared Description is intended to cover only the pubs and breweries purchased by the Scheme in what is now north-west Cumbria, or built in the years 1916-1971 – or what may now be found on the site (if anything). Many have closed – some have been demolished and some are under new developments or even roads! But there is one excellent book on the subject – “The Carlisle State Management Scheme” by the late Olive Seabury (Bookcase – 2007 – currently out of print), while “Carlisle Breweries and Public Houses 1894-1916” by Steven Davidson (P3 Publications – 2004 – also out of print) is a very useful starting point. Also, the web sites: “The State Management Story” LinkExternal link (not regularly updated) and Wikipedia at: LinkExternal link

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Date Taken
Saturday, 19 August, 2017   (more nearby)
Saturday, 19 August, 2017
Subject Location
OSGB36: geotagged! NY 402 493 [100m precision]
WGS84: 54:50.1394N 2:55.9527W
Camera Location
OSGB36: geotagged! NY 401 494
View Direction
South-southeast (about 157 degrees)
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